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Sorry Bastard - American Strong Ale
  • jlwjlw
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    BeerSmith 2 Recipe Printout - http://www.beersmith.com
    Recipe: Sorry Bastard
    Brewer: Chief Bastard
    Asst Brewer:
    Style: Specialty Beer
    TYPE: All Grain
    Taste: (30.0)

    Recipe Specifications
    --------------------------
    Boil Size: 7.54 gal
    Post Boil Volume: 5.72 gal
    Batch Size (fermenter): 5.00 gal
    Bottling Volume: 5.00 gal
    Estimated OG: 1.092 SG
    Estimated Color: 15.9 SRM
    Estimated IBU: 131.4 IBUs
    Brewhouse Efficiency: 75.00 %
    Est Mash Efficiency: 82.5 %
    Boil Time: 90 Minutes

    Ingredients:
    ------------
    Amt Name Type # %/IBU
    15 lbs Pale Malt (2 Row) US (2.0 SRM) Grain 1 88.2 %
    8.0 oz Aromatic Malt (26.0 SRM) Grain 2 2.9 %
    8.0 oz Biscuit Malt (23.0 SRM) Grain 3 2.9 %
    8.0 oz Caramunich Malt (56.0 SRM) Grain 4 2.9 %
    8.0 oz Special B Malt (180.0 SRM) Grain 5 2.9 %
    1.00 oz Simcoe [13.00 %] - Boil 70.0 min Hop 7 39.7 IBUs
    1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 45.0 min Hop 8 35.3 IBUs
    0.75 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 15.0 min Hop 9 14.3 IBUs
    1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Boil 0.0 min Hop 10 0.0 IBUs
    1.00 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - First Wort 60.0 min Hop 6 42.2 IBUs
    2.50 oz Chinook [13.00 %] - Dry Hop 0.0 Days Hop 12 0.0 IBUs
    1.0 pkg Safale American (DCL/Fermentis #US-05) Yeast 11 -


    Mash Schedule: Single Infusion, Medium Body, Batch Sparge
    Total Grain Weight: 17 lbs
    ----------------------------
    Name Description Step Temperat Step Time
    Mash In Add 23.10 qt of water at 169.1 F 154.0 F 75 min

    Sparge: Batch sparge with 2 steps (0.16gal, 3.90gal) of 168.0 F water
    Notes:
    ------
    OG 1.080

    scoob
  • ceanntceannt
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    Interesting ....
    no wonder I like the oaked version better ... the oak fills the flavor void left by those one dimensional hops ....
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  • ceanntceannt
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    That sounded arrogant didn't it?
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  • ceanntceannt
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    Sorry.....

    That should be real close to a dead ringer clone
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  • C_BC_B
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    ceannt said:

    Interesting ....
    no wonder I like the oaked version better ... the oak fills the flavor void left by those one dimensional hops ....


    That sounds almost like a burn.
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  • jlwjlw
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    ceannt said:

    Interesting ....
    no wonder I like the oaked version better ... the oak fills the flavor void left by those one dimensional hops ....



    ouch
  • ceanntceannt
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    Hah. Wasn't really ment that way .... both of those hops have a sharp? Flavor ... and to me lack ... uh.... middle and low end? Taste .... quess you can tell I am used to stuff like EKG .....
    the oak will "fill in" that flavor profile my taste buds are looking for ....
    Really didn't mean to be a ****
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  • scoobscoob
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    I'm gonna try this, love the AB!
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  • scoobscoob
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    I feel like there is some roasted barley in the original, is it spot on with the special B?
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  • jlwjlw
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    azscoob said:

    I feel like there is some roasted barley in the original, is it spot on with the special B?



    I think it's spot on with the special B. I have a couple of different recipes I have found I'll take a look and see if there is anything different.

    Also, I FWH this the original does not call for FWH. I also bumped up the dry hops. I'll post the original later for comparison.
  • jlwjlw
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    Looks like DJ posted a clone. This is accurate as far as I can remember from the original recipe I found a couple of years ago.

    http://www.homebrewforums.net/discussion/15/arrogant-bastard-clone#Item_1

  • ceanntceannt
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    The first time I had AB I was with a buddy that raved about the stuff ... I ordered a pint .... first reaction was "wow"...... then he got mad at me when I said that there was something missing .... I said that I really liked the grain bill .... and that it was really cool seeing an America brewery that didn't fall into the misconception of "malty = sweet".... ....
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  • ceanntceannt
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    I told him that a bit of light Munich was the only tweak I would do to the grain bill....
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  • ceanntceannt
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    But its missing some depth of flavor in the hop profile ..... I would leave the "cat piss and pine tar" hops alone.... but add a 5 minute addition of fuggles .. say an ounce in a 5 gallon batch..... I thought he was going to punch me ....
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  • ceanntceannt
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    I love your grain bill... effing great ....
    but still think that a bit of an "earthy" hop would make it truly spectacular .....
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  • ceanntceannt
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    BTW ... the FWH idea is genius for this .... smooth it out a bit ... and takes the edge off the harshness. ... your version if anything is probably better than the original
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  • C_BC_B
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    Five comments over eleven minutes. Sorta tied together, but each could stand alone. Sorta rambling. I'd like to crawl inside Ceannt's head for a little while just to see what is rolling around. I bet it's a fun place.
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  • C_BC_B
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    This may get bumped up to second on my list of things to make. My pipeline is such that I could do 10 gallons of this and oak half of it.

    How long did you let this age JLW before kegging? Any age in the keg?
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  • ceanntceannt
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    SeaBee said:

    Five comments over eleven minutes. Sorta tied together, but each could stand alone. Sorta rambling. I'd like to crawl inside Ceannt's head for a little while just to see what is rolling around. I bet it's a fun place.



    Hah..... you would just hurt yourself .......

    scoob
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  • jlwjlw
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    SeaBee said:

    This may get bumped up to second on my list of things to make. My pipeline is such that I could do 10 gallons of this and oak half of it.

    How long did you let this age JLW before kegging? Any age in the keg?


    No real age time to it. I do a 4 week primary and a two week dry hop and then keg and drink it in a few weeks.

    scoob
  • scoobscoob
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    ceannt said:

    SeaBee said:

    Five comments over eleven minutes. Sorta tied together, but each could stand alone. Sorta rambling. I'd like to crawl inside Ceannt's head for a little while just to see what is rolling around. I bet it's a fun place.



    Hah..... you would just hurt yourself .......


    This
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  • C_BC_B
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    GeeWillikers... a 10 gallon batch is going to cost me a hundo for the ingredients. I'm going to have to find something to buy the wife...

    scoob
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  • scoobscoob
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    SeaBee said:

    GeeWillikers... a 10 gallon batch is going to cost me a hundo for the ingredients. I'm going to have to find something to buy the wife...



    A hundo??? By my calculations it should be 50 or less! Where are you buying your grain and hops?
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  • scoobscoob
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    15 dollars for whole leaf hops, 8 dollars for specialty grains, 20 dollars in base malt, 6 dollars for yeast. I think you are overpaying somewhere.
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  • C_BC_B
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    azscoob said:

    15 dollars for whole leaf hops, 8 dollars for specialty grains, 20 dollars in base malt, 6 dollars for yeast. I think you are overpaying somewhere.


    For 10 gallons?

    scoob
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  • scoobscoob
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    SeaBee said:

    azscoob said:

    15 dollars for whole leaf hops, 8 dollars for specialty grains, 20 dollars in base malt, 6 dollars for yeast. I think you are overpaying somewhere.


    For 10 gallons?


    Yup
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